caligryphy ([info]caligryphy) wrote,
@ 2005-11-24 02:11:00
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I finally saw the Goblet of Fire.
I liked it. I did! Honestly. Just... this one thing...




Dear Mr. Gambon,

I realize you were given an impossible task. To fill the shoes of Richard Harris is to... well, for lack of an extremely witty metaphor, it's like telling a very, very small thing to go and stand in a very, very big thing and fill it up. You seemed confused, annoyed, angry, stunned, confused again, perplexed, agitated, and confused. Additionally, you need to look to your right. Yes. That actor? His name is Mister Rickman. He's lovely; shake his hand. Watch the way he wears his robes. It isn't some magical gift of physique--he's a bit portly himself.

Bitch, don't you dare tell me it's that black is slimming!

...Sorry, where were we? Yes. The way he uses his robes when he moves instead of treating them like an old shirt. The way he moves his hands, his mouth. The way he stretches and cuts his words. It's this thing called acting. Mr. Gambon--when Daniel Radcliffe is beating you at acting, there's something wrong.

Look, I guess what I'm saying is... you've got no presence. No presence. I don't believe you're in charge. Maggie Smith is stomping your ass. (Rightfully so--is it weird of me to think she's pretty hot? Because I so do.)

But I suppose I can't totally blame you. Richard Harris was King Arthur for a reason. Even at the end of his life, he could convey the impression that he was the most powerful wizard in the world--and underneath it, there was this beautiful fragility. Dumbledore is a man who has *lived*. He's fought wars. He's staggering through this one. This is the battle that's going to kill him--and he knows it.

WHY DON'T YOU?

YOU FUCKER! YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKER! GAH! YOU MAKE ME WANT TO PUT MY FIST THROUGH MY DESK! YOU MAKE ME WANT TO THROW SHIT AT THE MOVIE SCREEN--AND BY THE WAY, YOU *DO* GIVE A SHIT THAT A CHILD HAS JUST DIED IN THE TOURNAMENT--YOU *DO*! WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT 'TRIBUTE'? YOU'RE THE HEADMASTER OF A SCHOOL FIRST AND FOREMOST--WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR CHARACTER DOES IT, FOR THE EXCELLENT BENEFITS?! YOU CARE! YOU CARE! YOU CARE! *thwaps repeatedly, thwaps until hand turns blue, thwaps until hand falls off*

...

Dumbledore bothered me so much.

.....

I feel dirty.

.......

*Cries*



In other news, Ralph Fiennes? You will make a fine Voldemort. We will keep you.

Happy Turkey Day, fellow Americans!



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[info]loupgarou1750
2005-11-24 12:06 am UTC (link)
is it weird of me to think she's pretty hot?

No way. I'd so do her, given the opportunity.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 12:08 am UTC (link)
C'mere, Miss Jean Brodie... *Waggles eyebrows*

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(no subject) - [info]ter369, 2005-11-24 12:25 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]loupgarou1750, 2005-11-24 12:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]caligryphy, 2005-11-24 12:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]loupgarou1750, 2005-11-24 02:06 am UTC

[info]almostlifesized
2007-04-05 09:20 pm UTC (link)
So very seconded. Rawr. (Why do I have a thing for older people? Disturbing? Perhaps.)

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[info]matyas_adina
2005-11-24 12:32 am UTC (link)
Now I'm really interested:)
Movie will only came at the 1th of December to Hungary... I'm starting to be excited about it, though I'm still sceptical.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 12:37 am UTC (link)
The owlery was good. Owl droppings everywhere. It was disgusting. :) The Quidditch World Cup Stadium--perfect. Lots of things to love, really.

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[info]ook
2005-11-24 01:34 am UTC (link)
Did you see the A&E GoF Special? They interviewed director Newell and I got the impression that he is partly/mostly to blame for the poor turn that Dumbledore took in this film. Newell wanted to play up that the wizarding world was going haywire and no one was in control and that's why Albus was over-reacting and/or moping (he'd lost control...see? SEE?). Gambon was fine in PoA, but he definitely went down the wrong road in GoF. A shame.

Harris was definitely a MUCH better Dumbledore. I'm really hoping we'll get a new Dumbles for films 6 or 7.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 01:55 am UTC (link)
He lost something, all right. His mind.

Radcliffe really improved, though, so I don't know. Maybe Gambon is one of those actors who's willing to leap off the deep end when a director steers them wrong...

Yes, new Dumbles!

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[info]stellahobbit
2005-11-24 02:46 am UTC (link)
Mr. Gambon--when Daniel Radcliffe is beating you at acting, there's something wrong.

Oh. That ain't good news.

I'd like to add to your rant - damn the movie studios for making Australia wait an extra two weeks before we get to see the movie. Why is this so? Have they not heard of an invention called aeroplanes? Time is of the essence, dammit!

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 02:58 am UTC (link)
Maybe they ship it by freight steamer. You all live in the jungle down there, don't you? *Snigger* But Alan Rickman's (sadly) brief moments were all wondrous.

The Radcliffe thing is actually not as bad as it sounds, because he's become a lot better. At no point during the movie did I stop to think--'Geez. This kid is a shitty actor.' Which was a major change from all previous films.

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(no subject) - [info]caligryphy, 2005-11-24 03:00 am UTC
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[info]skuf
2005-11-24 03:43 am UTC (link)
It's interesting how there are practically two camps (Gambon vs. Harris), each thinking their actor does a vastly superior job as Dumbledore.

I'm a Harris, myself - Gambon does next to nothing for me in the role :o(

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 06:00 pm UTC (link)
:) Maybe it's just my particular friends-list, but I don't think I've even seen the pro-Gambon camp.

Perhaps we could raid them in the night, pelt them with peanuts, short-sheet their bunks, steal all the fruit juice in the mess hall...

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[info]odogoddess
2005-11-24 03:58 am UTC (link)
*pat, pat, pat* (picks up hand and magics it back on)

There now. Better?

And yes, Maggie is smoking. So is Rickman. I'd like to see the two of them [bleep!] and I bet they'd [bleep!] to each other because they are just too [bleep!] hot for words.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 06:02 pm UTC (link)
*Twists wrist* Hey, nice job, thanks.

*Waggles brows* I'm not even sure what you're implying, but I like it. Rrrow.

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(no subject) - [info]ebonlock, 2005-11-28 09:11 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]odogoddess, 2005-11-29 08:42 pm UTC
Dumbledore?Gambon
[info]josanpq
2005-11-24 05:34 am UTC (link)
It's the granny bathrobe he's wearing...he's channeling that instead of Richard Harris. I really wish they had hired Peter O'Toole for the role...but having lost one ex-drinker, they were a little too reticent (in my opinion) to hire another.

(Not to mention that bloody beard tie...sheesh! So très UN-Dumbledore!)

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Re: Dumbledore?Gambon
[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the robe itself could stand to be less 'Mum, put on some clothes'.

Dude, he's even still acting! He was in Troy! It's just cruel, not asking Peter O'Toole. I remember him in 'My Favorite Year'. Such a great movie... I have to rent that again sometime...

Oh, yeah, no beard tie. He'd have plaited it with twinkly ribbons or decorated it like a Christmas tree--to be 'festive' and all, but he wouldn't tie it.

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[info]nikita79x
2005-11-24 09:10 am UTC (link)
I liked Gambon in Gosford Park, but he seems lost in this role. Damn shame they couldn't get Ian McKellan to do it. I totally understand he had enough on his plate after LOTR and X-Men, but really - he's the only one I can think of that would have done real justice to the role. He wasn't too bad in PoA, but this movie just made it even more obvious that he doesn't have a grip on the role at all - or is it really bad directing?? Shouldn't the directors say, 'whoa, tone down the emotions, act a little more mature and kindly'? Where's the twinkle in the eye? Could you believe him eating lemon drops? No way. This man wants a steak - not sweets! lol

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 06:11 pm UTC (link)
McKellen could play a bowl of soup with perfect pathos. He'd get nothing but Gandalf comparisons, though, so I understand why he isn't.

Maybe Gambon hasn't read the books. Honestly, maybe he hasn't. There's just no excuse.

I don't want to believe it's bad directing, especially when Radcliffe did so much better--but I don't know. It could be.

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[info]makesomelove
2005-11-24 09:56 am UTC (link)
Yes. YES! Gambon's Cedric speech, especially, was just so, so off. I WEEP!

Also Maggie Smith is totally hot.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 06:13 pm UTC (link)
I felt sorry for Cedric, and sorry for Rowling. Cedric's death and Voldie's return in GoF casts a pall over the entire end of the book--I don't think it properly got the attention it deserved, and all in the name of not letting the kiddies walk out of the theatre to a downer ending.

Yes, she is.

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[info]gmth
2005-11-24 10:21 am UTC (link)
I agree. Dumbledore was SO WRONG in this film. Blech.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 06:16 pm UTC (link)
*Passes barf bag* Words (even the angry ones) cannot express how wrong. He sucked. He sucked in stereo. He sucked in THX.

I'm kinda mad for us, you know, because I don't get the mentoring relationship with Harry and the protectiveness he's got for Snape--and I know I won't really be sad when he eats it in the book six movie.

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[info]ex_ella_bane358
2005-11-24 11:22 am UTC (link)
Dumbledore was ALL OVER the place emotionally. I really enjoyed his portrayal in PoA; he had that sly "I know more than you do" kind of thing going on that captured the character so perfectly. But in GoF he was too angry, too upset, too wimpy, and just too sad. :(

Ralph Fiennes is a GOD.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 06:20 pm UTC (link)
He was up, he was down, he was in, he was out--bite him, animatronic Fawkes!

I remember when I was in school, when Shakespeare in Love came out, and everyone was squeeing over Joseph Fiennes. I was like, dude, his brother is a better actor and hotter--obviously, the evil snakey nose has vindicated me. Voldemort was a little more physically aggressive than I imagined, but I think he made it work.

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[info]taradilien
2005-11-24 03:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that's unhappy with the new Dumledore.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-24 06:21 pm UTC (link)
Not at all. *Nods* We're going to raid the pro-Gambon camp later. Want to come? Put a stocking over your head.

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-24 10:41 pm UTC (link)
Ok so Gambon worked all right for me in PoA, though I do miss Harris desperately. But in this one...I just couldn't figure out what the hell they were trying to do with his characterization. I kept wondering, is this a set up for HBP? Are we meant to think he's losing it already? That's all I could think, especially with the way he defers to Severus.

Speaking of which, what the hell was up with the lameass Cedric eulogy in place of the "Are you prepared?" scene? Dammit, they cut everything that introduced OotP completely out of the film? Why? I actually felt a physical pang when I didn't get to see Snape bare his left arm and shove it under Fudge's nose. I was pining for that scene, asolutely pining.

It leads me to wonder what the hell they're going to leave out of the next one. If "Snape's Worst Memory" gets cut I may have to go on a shooting spree.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-29 08:37 pm UTC (link)
This is why it is such a mistake to trade directors every film. You get a different bag of goodies every time, but the directors aren't serving the arc, they're serving the individual story (to the detriment of the others).

Snape's arm is important to the arc, not the happy ending of the film--this is why we lost it. It is a damn shame we lost it, too. The movies are like book supplements instead of movies unto themselves.

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[info]pir8fancier
2005-11-25 09:57 am UTC (link)
Re: Gambon as Dumbledore. WORD

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-29 08:39 pm UTC (link)
*Pumps fist in air* Now, we must stir the masses!

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[info]gnomad
2005-11-25 01:02 pm UTC (link)
(Rightfully so--is it weird of me to think she's pretty hot? Because I so do.)

Oh thank god I'm not the only one.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-29 08:40 pm UTC (link)
*Grin* There was just something about her during this film. She was so commanding.

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[info]scarlettmoon
2005-11-29 07:43 pm UTC (link)
!!! I'm not the only one who didn't like dumbledore in this movie!!!! Yay! I thought it was just me. But he lost me with the grundgy, greying nightshirt thing. I haven't read the books, but I thought Dumbledore always wore colourful things.. and was more grand.... more... just more! And after the weird acting, he just seemed sort of... pathetic.

I went in not knowing anything about the film so Ralph Fiennes was a surprise- I really liked him as Voldemort though, I thought he did a good job.

Other than not liking Dumbledore, I also thought they cut out too many DE scenes - some of them were sort of important, and interesting... like Anon already said in comments, it's too bad they didn't show the "Are you prepared?" scene.

And Karkaroff! I went into the film thinking I'd dislike him, but I actually liked him! They didn't make him all cowardly.

Heh. Snape/Karkaroff.

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[info]caligryphy
2005-11-29 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Words cannot express the wrongness of that houserobe. Or the beard! The beard felt wrong, too. There wasn't enough of it.

Ralph Fiennes played him much more physical and scary than I expected, but I liked it. He was frightening. Augh, poor little kiddies who got dragged into this fun, family movie. :)

Yes--no Bellatrix, no big end scene--lots of wrongness.

Am I the only one who got a huge Christopher Lee vibe off Karkaroff? Yow.

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American Rs
[info]gebbi
2005-12-11 04:26 am UTC (link)
I just FINALLY got around to seeing this - unfortunately I had to take 5 9-year-olds, but I still really enjoyed it. However I had the same problem as you - Dumbledore. His American Rs really grate: everyone else is so beautifully British!

Also, I was desperate for the 'When the time comes... remember Cedric' speech. How could they fail to include it and replace it with that pap? Aaaaargh!

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Re: American Rs
[info]caligryphy
2005-12-14 09:56 pm UTC (link)
Being mutt American myself, I don't really notice the Rs. I'm uncultured. :)

It's the mistake of hiring many directors--I know, few would take on the whole project, but no one is keeping into account the overall arc of the story. Another pitfall of telling it before the arc is finished, anyway. Oh, well.

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[info]m_ho
2005-12-16 07:24 am UTC (link)
As Gambon totally worked it for me in POA, I have to find fault in Newell's new vision, and his inability to make the right editing choices (WB mandated eleventh hour cuts or not). The post-Pensieve-courtroom scene is directed and edited with no sense of continuity to Gambon's performance, and I think that really hurts Dumbledore's character (but it's not like Rowling doesn't totally use Dumbledore as a plot device instead of developing him as a character in his own right). And while I'm on Newell's warped sense of characterization, if he thinks that being pro-active and confident in Cuarón’s POA makes Hermione a "tomboy" and that she has to be a hyper-emotional, love-sick sniveler to become a "young woman," then something is very wrong.

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[info]morganlefay1958
2005-12-23 08:34 pm UTC (link)
I agree. Gambon so scared me in this film. THAT was not Dumbledore. I can't believe JKR let them do that to the mighty wizard! I miss Sir Richard Harris SO much. THAT man could act! I have never liked Gambon's performance and the way they changed Dumbledore's appearance to creepy when Gambon took over---disgusting. It's the only thing I hated about this film. Everything else was wonderful! Every peak at Alan was heaven (blows multiple kisses) and Mr. Fiennes' performance was frighteningly wonderful----the perfect evil one!!!

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